I asked Will, my husband to come to the interview with me because it’s a 2 hour drive and I wanted the company. We used to commute together when we both worked for Mt Rainier and the drive brought back many pleasant memories. Russ’s house is tucked up a windy hill in Packwood Washington. You drive down a gravel road, passed his gate and park in front of his garage which is covered in antlers.
Russ doesn’t hunt. He finds the antlers in the woods, brings them home and keeps them. He does this with bones, feathers, sticks, and anything else natural he may encounter. I can relate to this. I was the type of kid that came home from the beach with pockets filled with shells, sea glass and pretty rocks I’d found. My room had abandoned bird nests on my shelves; feathers tucked everywhere and brightly colored dried leaves from the previous fall. Anything from nature I could carry made its way into my room.
When I met Russ, we bonded right away. The first time the wildlife crew picked him up at his house, I discovered a museum of animal skulls, neatly preserved on shelves made of stripped devil’s club branches. I collected animal skulls as well. Of course I had at the time maybe 4 skulls, while Russ must have had over a hundred. The first time I decided to add animal skulls to my growing collection of natural items, I’d found a dead skunk on some train tracks. Dried in the sun, the skin was mostly gone and I was able to pull the head from the body with ease. Being 16 and really stupid; I used my mom’s favorite cooking pot to boil the skull in water on the stove (I’d read somewhere that was how you got the brains out). When my mom came home the house smelled like nothing I can describe and I had to throw her pot in the trash after a good tongue lashing.
Russ thought this story was funny when I told him. He’d perfected cleaning skulls long ago, but knew the trials and errors that new bone collectors go through. He, like myself, collected animal skulls because we loved wildlife. We found the skulls to be a way to connect with animals we could not get close to when alive. We both marveled at how the bone structures differed between species and found this incredibly fascinating. Take the beaver skull for instance; its lower jaw is immense, evolved to allow for huge chewing muscles to break apart woody material, or a bird skull, light as air and bones hollow for better flight.
When I asked Russ if I could interview him for my project he was a little leery. He is a very quiet and reserved man. He doesn’t like people much, preferring to spend his time in the woods. However when I explained I just wanted to hear some of his wildlife stories from the park he was eager to help. I’d hoped to interview his friend Joe as well, another volunteer from the park and I was delighted to discover Joe waiting at the house as well when we arrived.
Russ herds us into his dining room, the walls covered in book shelves filled with books, natural things and of course skulls. At first glance, his house is very overwhelming, every nook and cranny is filled with something natural; there is no blank wall space, no empty shelves. Everywhere there is something to look at; every item placed with care and love. For someone like me, who loves the natural world it is a feast for my eyes and soul. I can see before me a lifetime of moments and memories and experiences spent in the woods. In the living room we pass by a stack of antlers next to the couch, in fact the stack is bigger than the couch. It’s grown since I last was in the house a few years ago. What I love most about being in his house is the feeling you get of being close to nature. Each thing I see is a window into a hidden world.
Russ and Joe take seats facing each other with me at the head of the table. I am surprised to see my husband sit down at the other end. I thought he was going to wait in the car. I start by asking some basic questions about where Joe and Russ live, their ages, their backgrounds. Once this is over I ask Russ to tell me the story about the Bald Eagle he found while hiking in the park. He’d told me it once a long time ago and I hoped it would be a good starting place.
The stories are easy to get out of Russ and Joe, but they are reserved men and passed this I start to struggle a little. I am trying to get them to tell me more about the park and how they see it. They seem to be holding back and I know this will take some patience. Suddenly my husband breaks in and responds to something Joe has said. I feel annoyed as I realize I will have to take this out when I dictate the interview. Russ and Joe know Will from the park so the conversation starts to shift from formal interview to conversation. I try to ask another question to get my husband to shut up and Russ and Joe back on track, yet it just leads to my husband talking more. I try the glare tactic and give my husband the best “I am going to throttle you” look I can across the table, yet he seems immune.
Joe asks Will about the park’s management team; Will was employed with the park for 14 years and often has insights into the culture I do not. I can sense the comradery growing between Joe and Will because Will now works for the Forest Service which is what Joe did before he retired. This leads the conversation off track completely, yet I can see a general ease and relaxation occurring with Joe as he talks to Will. I wait patiently, adding up the minutes in my head that have been wasted and imagine all the painful things I am going to do to my husband when we get home.
Yet 10 minutes in I have given up trying to keep control. As the conversation flows, it moves toward resource management and I get caught up in it. Russ too, has joined in, and it feels more like a get together with friends than an interview. I manage to get in a question from my notes and all of us tackle it together; each adding our own experiences in a tangible, fluidic pace. I realize I am getting material I would never have been able to pull from a strict interview setting. These men are cautious and slightly aloof. They thrive in the woods where things are grounded and open. They are no longer participating in an interview; they are sitting back with friends, talking about what they love. They have forgotten the recording device sitting in the middle of the table; Russ is leaning back in his chair smiling and Joe is talking, his face animated and his hands dancing in front of his face as he describes a time he confronted a visitor about walking off trail. I find it easy to gently steer the conversation in the direction I need. And by the end I know I have some amazing stuff recorded. As we get in the car to leave I turn to my husband and point to the recording device. He looks down at it and back up at me with an apologetic look in his eye. I smile and thank him for hijacking my interview.